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Liverpool: Reality Check

Although bitterly disappointed with the manner of Tuesday nights Champions League exit, personally I have always seen this seasons competition as a possible distraction to what all us true reds want, title number 19. Rafa has always seen the Champions League as a priority, so going out of the competition before Christmas will be a bitter blow for him, but not for me. The real blow as far as I am concerned has come from our terrible league form. I don't think many reds would be quite so upset had we gone out of the Champions League while lying in the Premiership top four. As things stand we have a mountain to climb just to be in contention for one of the four Champions League spots, but it is certainly not insurmountable. With over six full months of the 2009/10 season left to play, and a possible 75 points still up for grabs who's to say how the final table will look.

We certainly have had terrible luck with injuries to key players at key times. Losing the likes of Gerrard, Torres, Johnson and Aquilani would hurt any team and we are no different. That coupled with other injuries in a very unsettled defence and that all adds up to the kind of uncertainty we have all recently seen. I would also say that we have been on the receiving end of a few dodgy decisions and bizarre moments. Who can forget the beachball incident at Sunderland, and over zealous ref Lee Mason who gifted Fulham three points by removing 50% of our defence into the Craven Cottage away dressing room that afternoon. If we had of won those two games alone we would now be in third place.

But at the end of the day we are where we are because we have played some terrible stuff in amongst some good periods of play, but unfortunately the odd ten minutes of madness has cost us dear both in the league and Champions League. Also to degree we have lacked real quality in depth. I feel certain players are either not good enough or have not applied themselves in the way we demand at this club. Mascherano has been a shadow of the player from last season, and I wouldn't be too disappointed if a big offer came in from Barcelona. Ryan Babel is as we all know a frustrating character, I can't remember another player that promised so much but delivered so little. His brief cameo away to Lyon sums up this particular enigma, firstly he knocks in a 35 yard screamer then two minutes later hits a shot so wide it goes out for a throw in. Now is the time for Rafa to try him in a central striking role before deciding when or if to offload him. Messer's Voronin, Dossena, Degen and Kyrgiakos are simply not good enough for this club. The jury is out on Lucas and Skrtel, I'm not sure about either of them although both have shown promise as well as the odd major ricket, while as a local lad I would have loved for Jay Spearing to be the answer to our future midfield problems but for me I feel his level drops just below what we need at Anfield.

With these departures comes the inevitable question of replacements. I believe we could do with a top quality central defender to play alongside Agger as Skrtel may be not quite good enough while the speed of Carra's loss of form has been alarming to say the least. One from either Albiol who may be surplus to requirements soon at Real, Chiellini from Juve or even Bremen's Mertsacker would be an option. While I wouldn't mind Yaya Touré as part of any deal to take Masch to Barca. Obviously we certainly need another striker, if Voronin goes we will be down to Torres and N'gog. I have left Kuyt out of the equation as he is now accepted as a someone who plays wide on the right. I would certainly bring the excellent Nemeth back from his loan spell and have him and N'gog as third and fourth strikers. Funds permitting I would like us to bring in a top striker to play alongside or fill in for El Nino. Bojan was already offered to us during Barca's last attempt to sign Masch, so he is a possibility, as would Wolfsburg's Dzeko and Suarez of Ajax. But the value for money choice may be Bayern's Klose, who has said in previous articles that he has a great fondness for Liverpool F.C. He is certainly a quality striker with bags of experience, so he would on the face of it be ideal.

Whatever the personnel from now to the end of the season, I sincerely hope Rafa uses the Europa League as a stage to blood the likes of Nemeth, N'gog and Plessis etc and leave Gerrard, Torres and Aquilani to concentrate on getting us as high up the table as possible. I have little interest in this season's F.A cup and I certainly don't care about Platini's Europa League, which is a sort of Euro Carling cup, (for those of a certain vintage) a 'Jeux Sans Frontieres' to blighty's 'It's a knockout' you might say. All efforts must be focused solely of attaining that Champions League place for next season, Rafa that's all I ask.

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Date:Thursday November 26 2009

Time: 11:14AM

Your Comments

Good read WDR. If I had to decide between the CL and PL then I'd want to win the title everytime, but do I think going out of the CL at this early stage will help us? I'd like to say I did, but IMHO I don't think it will, but I do hope that this gives us the wake up call that we must get our act together or we'll miss out on the CL again next season, and that is something that we can't financially afford! I still want us to do well in the EL, but not at our PL expense and certainly wouldn't write off the FA Cup, we should be in that to win it. Plenty of those names you mentioned would be nice but I can't see many, if any, coming to us anytime soon as we can't afford them. If we miss the CL next season we'll have no hope at all of getting players of that quality and I'd rather not think about what would be more likely.
Chubby Alonso
Hah, managed to convince yourselves that the CL exit is'nt so bad after all? :-) And reading just a few lines at the beginning, I think you should've thought of the title (of the ARTICLE) a bit more- Reality Check? You lot are SEVENTH!
JT_daniel
I take it you didn't finish reading what was written JT? I mentioned we deserve to be were we are right now, and I mentioned about our lack of quality in depth. 75pts to play for in the next 6 months, and despite our problems we are only 2 wins off third. Take off those blue tinted glasses for a moment and say that right now, you really can rule us out of the top four in May? Or perhaps you are determind not to see it, in that case you need the reality check.
WestDerbyRed
big words wdr, you deserve to be where you are coz you are rubbish and i reckon spurs are more worthy of 4th spot then you. your manager cant work with what he has bought,so its down to him and no one else, fatty stay where you are for as long as you like!!! gerrard cant keep on getting you out of the s h i te, and i dont think he wants to!! carefree!!
springy
springy - i had a word with you on another article about you lot being over cocky about things didnt i..... now for some reason you seem to forget the great start of the season you lot had last year but then dropped points like a hooker down the back of an alley..... now tell us why you drop so many points was due to the fact that you lot were indeed rubbish or due to the fact that you lot had an injury list a simular size to the one we currently have????? well what is it you were rubbish or injuries. lets face it as much as i would love to say it was because you were rubbish it was plain and simple due to your injuries, but hey i suppose all you chavski fans haven't bothered looking at our injury list and whos on it have you..... lets face facts here if we didnt have the amount of injuries and managed to get our proper starting 11 out week in week out (which we haven't managed to do yet this season) we would be no where near where we are right now and you lot know it. on the other hand you lot wouldn't see that would you because your like leeches will suck the blood of any thing in sight...... i love the banter between us all but at least i could see the real versions of things that happen at our rivals. you take on our injury list and see where you lot would be..... oh i cant wait for ACN and hopefully a few injuries to go with it, see how you lot cope then.
muffdaddy1983
i agree with chubby. being out of the CL so early is no help towards us trying to climb the table. a lot of our motivation comes from this competition not to mention the amount of money wasted. we certainly cannot afford to come crashing out of the FA cup either as its(in my opinion) the only cup that will get our players to keep their heads high come end of the season. but like you said WDR we are only 6 points away from 3rd and with a long 6 months to go yet. when all our players are back from this injury taboo period, im sure it will not be a problem. having said that carragher really needs to give the back four including himself a real flykick up the backside if we are come back from this slump.
chopstah
I have to agree with Chubby and Chopstah, I really don't see Rafa putting less importance on Europa then on the CL. If anything i'm sure Rafa is going to try his best to win the Europa Cup and the FA cup. I'm sure we will start moving up the table when we get some key players back. With Riera, Aquiliani and Torres out and Benny, Gerrard, Johnson, Agger, Aurilio all just coming back I hope to see a different Liverpool side.
Klutch
tbh,nobody is ruling Liverpool out of top 4.Its just that,many a time a Pool supporter has brandished the istoree' card,so much so that everybody is just waiting for you lot to feck up.Anyway,IMO,once Torres,Gerrard,Aquilani and Benayoun are properly fit,i can see you guys catching up and take that 4th spot.Best of luck.
blueKnightz09
Personally I feel your pain, so far it has been nightmare of a season for you. Perhaps, if yanks decide to bail, it could be quite positive turn of events.
emigre
We made up a lot of points just towards the end of last season. Its okay with these Rent-Boys giving it large, they always do mid-season. They did last season, they did before every time we knocked them out of a Champions League or FA Cup, or when we ended their record home run last season. The problem is, which they havent cottoned on yet, is that they always end up looking a little bit silly. But anyway, enough about them. Let them keep on being obsessed, we'll keep being flattered by it :) ........................................................... I think this season, now, is going to be a transitional one. Lets see if we can get one a couple of good cup runs and make sure we get at least 4th, and then who knows. We all know we're capable of getting on a beast run, and when we do it'll only take a couple of weeks for everything to look a lot more rosy. What people need to realise is that we've got a much better chance of winning a European trophy than any other English club. Its not the trophy we wanted, but I can guarantee we'll win at least as many European trophies this season as Chelsea, United, Arsenal or the bitters. And quite possibly one more. I quite like getting mocked after 13 games, it merely shows how stupid these guys like making themselves look. And when Ancelotti messes up they can force him out, just like they did with Jose 'Our Saviour but we *****ed him over' Mourinho. And very soon there will be very few managers willing to go there because they see how they treat their managers. We treat ours with respect and we recognise what they've done for us over the last 5 years. A bad run doesnt change 5 years of excellent work and amazing nights. The only amazing nights Chelsea will ever experience are the ones we gave them, were we bundled them out of the Champions League. And with a goal that wasnt even over the line, ouchy! No wonder they're obsessed. LUIS GARCIA, HE DRINKS SANGRIA, HE CAME FROM BARCA, TO BRING US JOY, HE'S 5 FOOT 7, HE'S FOOTBALL HEAVEN, OH PLEASE DONT TAKE OUR LUIS AWAY.......LUIS GARCIAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Superhans
I like the cut of your jib Superhans!
KB1
Losing the likes of Gerrard, Torres, Johnson and Aquilani would hurt any team and we are no different - AQUILANI? how can you miss something you have never had? You are assuming he is a great talent. That is yet to be decided. You are where you are because you have played badly, mainly in my opinion by Benitez making strange selections (Benayoun for 1). Will you get back on track? Probably, but look at Alonso going, not Aquilani being injured - Benitez bought him as a crock!!
whitey0372
Well Whitey0372, Can't argue with the point about Rafa's strange selections but you have misunderstood the Aquilani comment. I was suggesting that with the injuries we have had, not having Aquilani available became a definate problem. Rafa could not have predicted the extent of the injuries to the squad and it is irrelevant that Rafa knew he was injured when he bought him. Had the injuries not happened we would not have missed what Aquilani would offer. He has done enough at Roma to suggest he would be an important player for us, especially with Alonso going.
WestDerbyRed
Springy, if I had of known you were going to attempt to read it, I would have done a single syllable big print version. I did say "we are where we are because we have played some terrible stuff ", which is not too different from your version, and yes Spurs do deserve to be above us AT THE MOMENT, but like your mate JT you seem a little confused. Was it the "big words"?
WestDerbyRed
Not to throw more fuel on the fire, but even with a crap manager and a number of injuries, I don't believe Chelsea ever fell into 7th last season. They also managed to stay in the CL during that time. The injured players returning absolutely helped the situation, but what turned the season around for us was sacking Scolari. Getting rid of Mourinho was a mistake, at least in my opinion, but Scolari being let go was absolutely the right decision. When a manager doesn't know how to adapt to changing circumstances, or have the ability to inspire players to be better than they may actually be, it might be time to make a change. Is being loyal to Rafa really the same thing as being loyal to Liverpool at the moment? Or, aside from the financial ramifications, is letting him go what is actually in the best interest of the club?
WithFalling
That's a fair and very thought provoking point WF. I think there lies the current problem surrounding Liverpool and Rafa. Some of us feel that in supporting Rafa, we are being loyal to the club. Whilst other fans are maybe looking at the so called 'bigger picture' by wanting Rafa replaced. I think the important thing here is respecting others views, so long as they remain in the boundries of decency.
Liverpool_lad
withfalling - you have a point about chelsea stayed in champions league and never fell to 7th in the league but at the same time chelsea never had all of their main players injuried at the same time their big name players were injuried at different times where as we have it all at the exact same time..... yeah it is mostly our thought because we dont have much depth but any team wouls struggle this year with the injuries we have to all our main men.
muffdaddy1983
Wow Chelsea had a crap manager, when was this? Scolari was good, then he had a bit of a slump and the Chelsea fans inevitable turned on him. Then they got Hiddink, who is an excellent manager, and he did well. What does it matter if they ever dropped into 7th? They finished 3rd. Being 7th after 13 games has as much relevance as being 1st after 3 games. Rafa has improved us HUGELY. The side he inherited was awful. Ok it won the Champions League, but we won it based on a side that could grind out results against all odds. Since then we've completely outclassed the likes of United, Real Madrid, Barca, Inter Milan, Arsenal and yes indeed Chelsea. You dont become a bad manager in 13 games but a spate of injuries and bad luck can certainly make you look like one. But anyway its all a moot point. Rafa isnt going to walk and he isnt going to be sacked, so the best thing for everyone is to get behind him and give him our support. Because he isnt going anywhere anytime soon. Let the likes of Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle hound their managers out. It'd sicken me if we started treating Rafa with the same contempt that Chelsea treated Jose Mourinho :( So lets not go there.
Superhans
A good article.If Liverpool had made a mess of the CL, but were still realistic contenders for the prem, then we could buy the argument that the CL was a 'distraction'. They're not: Liverpool, by their reasonably high standards, have had a disasterous season. Effectively it's already over. The entire club needs a root and branch review. The only consolation is that United won't win the prem. Chelsea are so far ahead of everyone else it's cringeworthy. Liverpool simply don't have enough good players and need new ownership and a new management team. And a new stadium. If they fail to qualify for the champs league it could trigger a ten year decline for the club.
jinkin jimmy dimmock
Oh, and by the way....credit where credit is due. Spurs have been fantastic this season.
jinkin jimmy dimmock
Thanks JJD, we have made a mess of the CL and have had a season to forget, but I don't agree it is over already. If we were to get into the top four and possibly win either the F.A or Europa Cups I would feel we would have salvaged something. Plenty of football left to play still.
WestDerbyRed
the best for us this season is that anyone can beat anyone.... if we put a long run of injury free wins together then we can still get 3rd or 4th but thats only if we get most if not all players injury free.
muffdaddy1983
PS i wasn't gloating because i like Liverpool but its clear that they need a kick up the arse. These Americans have done ***** all for a great club.
jinkin jimmy dimmock
withfalling - mourinho was a great if not the best manager you've had in a long while and why was it that he got sacked? it was because chelsea had a slight slump in their games and his head was called for. i dont know about you along with many chelsea fans and the owner, but i dont call that loyalty after him winning you back to back premier league titles which in the past you could only dream about. but like you said it was a mistake to let him go and if we let rafa go after all he's done for us, its no different situation that mourinho was put in. scorlari never had a chance to prove anything because he was never given it. rafa has the owners backing or at least they claim, but the real liverpool fans will know what rafa has really achieved for us in the past few years and will give him another chance to prove again.
chopstah
You are right there JJD
WestDerbyRed
Another fantastic read WDR. Agree with you yet again and am a fan of your idea of bringing Wolfsburg's Edin Dzeko to the club. I think he is a top striker and would link up well with Fernando. The Europa Cup is a tricky subject because it would be nice to do well in a competition this year even if it is a 'mickey mouse' one. Also the money we would recieve for winning the competition would be level with that of the amount earned if we had qualified from the group stages of the CL, so there is reason for Rafa to want to win it. But personally I back your argument 100% that we should begin to build for next season and focus on that 4th CL spot. It is vital we get it!
anfieldhero
The injury problem wasn't really what I was addressing. MD83 said earlier in the comments thread that Liverpool was having an injury crisis that was similar to the one Chelsea had last year and I was just responding. Also, our big players were all out at the same time last year. If my memory is correct appearances from Drogba, Essien, Deco, and Carvalho were sporadic at best from Sept-Dec. At one point last October we were actually without 7 starting players (Ballack, Carvalho, Cech, A Cole, J Cole, Drogba and Essien). Regardless, the point I was trying to make was that the change of manager ended up being more important for us than the return of the players. Scolari was a crap manager for Chelsea (and for the EPL in my opinion) because he didn't have a plan B. He had one mold for the team and when that stopped working he couldn't come up with another. Now, to be fair, if Essien had stayed fit I think Scolari's time at Chelsea might have gone differently. But Hiddinck came in, didn't have Essien and the change in the team was immediate and overwhelming, so I can't consider Scolari an innocent victim of RA's whims. Anyway I'm not trying to have a go here. I know how hard letting a manager go can be. I was devastated at the loss of Mourinho and it still smarts when I think about it (I don't know many Chelsea fans that were happy about his sacking, Chopstah. Most of us seemed to be furious with our owner over it. Surely you can understand that sentiment). I get fans staying loyal to Rafa because he has taken you this far. The question I think those of us observing from outside your club are asking (not that you care what outsiders think) is can he really take you any farther? If he has done all that he can do, surely the best thing for the club would be to let him go and move on to someone that can give you that final push. If you don't make the top 4 by the end of the season, do you still keep him? If you don't at least make the 4th spot will the faith in Rafa have been worth it? I don't know, I guess what I'm asking is when would enough be enough? I was shocked when Scolari was sacked because he'd had so little time, but looking back I was glad that it happened when it did because it was the best thing for the club. The shakeup was what saved us.
WithFalling
Wow all that writing, and mainly drivel. We're THIRTEEN GAMES into the season. A season that has been crippled, absolutely crippled, by injuries and horrific luck. Last season we were the top scorers and generally seen as very unlucky not to win the thing. The whole post sums up Chelsea fans. You're questioning if Rafa has taken us as far as he can, after a third of the season? Thats probably why you Chelsea fans forced Mourinho out with your constant whinging and griping. Like I've said before, we're different. We're not a little club like Newcastle, Spurs or Chelsea who would hound out a successful, popular manager. So save the long posts for something you know about, ok WF? No offence taken I hope.
Superhans
Thanks AH for your comments, much appreciated. I understand the point WF is making but it does show that we are a little more patient with our managers than some other teams, including Chelsea it must be said. Scolari was a bit of a disaster but I'm sure would have got at least another saeson had he been a Liverpool manager.
WestDerbyRed
I forget how sensitive some Liverpool fans are. I'm not basing anything off 13 games, Superhans. I'm saying over the past 5 years Rafa has only been able to take you this far and that may be all he can do. You won the CL with him, which was great for you, but the league has been consistently out of reach. Only Liverpool fans thought you were unlucky to not take it last year. The rest of us thought you were lucky to take 2nd. No offense was taken, as it serves me right. I don't know why I thought an actual discussion could happen here. Please do continue with your obviously beloved patience. The rest of the "little teams" in the EPL are happy to benefit from it.
WithFalling
I'd like to think that us LFC fans are in the most a pretty realistic and patient bunch. I think you are wrong WF to say we were lucky to get 2nd last year, as we were only 4pts off winning it and lost less games than the eventual winners Utd, had a better goal difference than them and beat them home and away in the head to head meetings. We lost the title by drawing too many times against teams we would usually beat including Stoke. Most people including Utd and Chelsea fans say the table doesn't lie, so taking that into consideration we were not lucky to get second place.
WestDerbyRed
Haha what do you mean only take us this far? He took over a team that finished over 30 points behind the champions, last season we finished 4 points behind the champions. Thats not bad considering we have the 5th most expensive squad and the 5th highest wage bill. The man has worked wonders, and the reason he's been able to do that, and the reason he's stuck around and will continue to stick around is because WE SUPPORT OUR MANAGERS. That might be a foreign concept to you WF considering you loyal Chelsea-ites forced out your best manager ever, but you should try it some time. Might help you become more knowledgable as well :)
Superhans
WF, we were good value for second last season... look at our results against the likes of Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. If you are going to become condescending and self righteous then expect to receive a less than courteous response to your replies.
Liverpool_lad
Oh Superhans, if you had something of value to say I might take you seriously. Chelsea fans didn't force Mourinho out. You might be too thick to understand this, but continuously repeating something doesn't make it true. WDR and L_L, I didn't say you guys were poor last season, I said you guys were lucky to place 2nd. There's always a bit of luck in how teams end up where they are. We had a bad start to our season last year which was in turn lucky for you. I don't think that's self righteous or condescending to say! Enjoy your weekends lads.
WithFalling
Baahahaha that is the most genius thing I've ever heard. We were lucky....because Chelsea were awful. Brilliant. So we can say if you win the title this season you dont deserve it because we've made a rubbish start? That my friends is from a CHELSEA FAN. If Chelsea win the title they dont deserve. Not my words, WithFallings words. Genius pal, absolute genius.
Superhans
i fully understand your point WF but if you dont think rafa have improved our our squad and results since he managed us then you should seriously question yourself being bias. each year we have decreased the points between us and the champions and consistantly did well in the CL. if this doesnt prove we are getting anywhere then you are either believing the media or got your facts wrong. 'you are only as as good as your last game'. this saying applies to all clubs in modern football sadly(very much to chelsea also) and liverpool are no different. ofcourse the club will need to re-think about the managing role if the current manager has no(like you said) plan B for when things dont go as planned, but surely you can even see that our current form cannot be purely targeted at rafa for all those injuries? maybe your are right to a point when you said a new manager could do us good, but what if it doesnt? many pool fans will live in regret of what could have been over a great manager who left because of a small slump in the table. sounds familier doesnt it WF? also in this current climate liverpool fc and the owners cannot afford to keep changing managers if the next one doesnt do well unlike chelsea can. now im not saying you are wrong WF, but many of us pool fans genuinely believe rafa should at least be given another chance because(maybe not in your eyes) in my opinion he has earned it.
chopstah
dodgy chairmen, floundering manager, no prospects on a new stadium, 2 of the worlds best players, a thin squad, not much cash, still got the ability and fear factor, good chance of Europa win now, out of CL this year and maybe next too. not meant in a bragging or condescending way i promise, just wanted to lay my ideas of Liverpool's pluses and minuses and hopefully give you an extra reality check. :-)
yidinchina
Believe me YIC we are totally aware of what our short comings are, and also our strong points. I presume you are a Spurs fan, if that is the case let me give you a reality check. Spurs have won nothing yet, and won't probably do so again this year. Despite your best run for many many years, and our worst for many years, you are only one win better off than us. You too have an older decaying stadium which you will have problems replacing, and you also have a manager who jumps ship at the first sign of trouble. You have a few very good internationals but none of which anybody would call world class. Despite our CL exit we still have a chance of a European trophy this season while you don't. Lastly, I am the very last person who would wish to defend our chairman, but when you have Daniel Levy as a chairman, perhaps it's best not to pass judgement elsewhere. I too promise that my comments are my ideas of Spur's plusses and minuses and hopefully will give you an extra reality check. :-)
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1. Chelsea 25 18 4 3 40 58
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